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Title A name given to the resource Growing Up In Mobile: Depression & Wartime, 1929-1949 Subject The topic of the resource Mobile during the Depression and World War II Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Judy Walton, MPL Youth Services, Erin Kellen, MPL Youth Services, & George Schroeter, MPL Local History & Genealogy Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Mobile Public Library Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1983 Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource USA Photographic Archives, Spring Hill College, Mobile Historic Development Commission Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource pdf jpeg mp3 Language A language of the resource English Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource This file may be freely used for educational uses as long as it is not altered in any way. 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Title A name given to the resource Appendices IV & V - St. Stephens Rd. & Andrews St. - John Adams Project Subject The topic of the resource Bessie C. Fonville School Description An account of the resource Two photos: unused building on St. Stephens Rd. and Bessie C. Fonville School on St. Andrews St., in use in 1983 Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource John Adams Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived John Adams Diary Project Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Mobile Public Library Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1983 Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource pdf Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context Growing-up-in-Mobile-St. Stephens Rd. & Andrews St.-1983 Relation A related resource Bill Bates & Bill Bates V Imaginary Diary Entries - John Adams Project Andrews Street Bessie C. 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Title A name given to the resource Growing Up In Mobile: Depression & Wartime, 1929-1949 Subject The topic of the resource Mobile during the Depression and World War II Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Judy Walton, MPL Youth Services, Erin Kellen, MPL Youth Services, & George Schroeter, MPL Local History & Genealogy Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Mobile Public Library Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1983 Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource USA Photographic Archives, Spring Hill College, Mobile Historic Development Commission Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource pdf jpeg mp3 Language A language of the resource English Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource This file may be freely used for educational uses as long as it is not altered in any way. 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Title A name given to the resource Appendix I - "The Bates House" - John Adams Project Subject The topic of the resource Bates House, 471 Schusse Lane Description An account of the resource Photos and details about the Bates House Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Mobile City Planning Commission Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Mobile Landmarks Inventory Relation A related resource Stone Street Map - John Adams Project - 1983 Bill Bates & Bill Bates V Imaginary Diary Entries - John Adams Project Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource pdf Language A language of the resource English Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context Growing-up-in-Mobile-Bates House architecture Bates House carpenter Carpenter & Young Joseph Bates Mobile Mobile Planning Commission Schusse Lane https://digital.mobilepubliclibrary.org/files/original/8b4f3bec9402b60ad0e7679cacb21ec1.pdf 75d0677fa518a0fb301b11d2ad726639 Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. 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Title A name given to the resource Growing Up In Mobile: Depression & Wartime, 1929-1949 Subject The topic of the resource Mobile during the Depression and World War II Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Judy Walton, MPL Youth Services, Erin Kellen, MPL Youth Services, & George Schroeter, MPL Local History & Genealogy Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Mobile Public Library Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1983 Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource USA Photographic Archives, Spring Hill College, Mobile Historic Development Commission Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource pdf jpeg mp3 Language A language of the resource English Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource This file may be freely used for educational uses as long as it is not altered in any way. 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Title A name given to the resource Appendix II - Toulminville one of oldest neighborhoods - John Adams Project Subject The topic of the resource Toulminville history Description An account of the resource Article from The News Herald, September 21, 1978, with attached photos of the current St. Stephens Rd., Stone St., and Craft Hwy. intersection Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource The News Herald Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource September 21, 1978 Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource John Adams Relation A related resource Bill Bates & Bill Bates V Imaginary Diary Entries - John Adams Project Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource pdf Language A language of the resource English Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context Growing-up-in-Mobile-Toulminville Neighborhood-1978 1978 Craft Highway Finch Place Mobile News Herald St. Stephens Road Stone Street Toulmin House Toulminville https://digital.mobilepubliclibrary.org/files/original/9016fd65dcc1c7b95b7fabdcd69f384f.pdf 1e3b2d6e86e358676b0c570250886177 Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. 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Title A name given to the resource Growing Up In Mobile: Depression & Wartime, 1929-1949 Subject The topic of the resource Mobile during the Depression and World War II Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Judy Walton, MPL Youth Services, Erin Kellen, MPL Youth Services, & George Schroeter, MPL Local History & Genealogy Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Mobile Public Library Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1983 Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource USA Photographic Archives, Spring Hill College, Mobile Historic Development Commission Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource pdf jpeg mp3 Language A language of the resource English Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource This file may be freely used for educational uses as long as it is not altered in any way. 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Title A name given to the resource Appendix III - 1914 Stone Street - John Adams Project Subject The topic of the resource 1914 Stone Street Description An account of the resource Three photos of house located at 1760 Stone Street in 1936; 1914 Stone Street in 1983 Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource John Adams Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived John Adams Diary Project Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Mobile Public Library Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1983 Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource pdf Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context Growing-up-in-Mobile-1914 Stone Street-1983 Relation A related resource Stone Street Map - John Adams Project - 1983 Bill Bates & Bill Bates V Imaginary Diary Entries - John Adams Project John Adams Stone Street https://digital.mobilepubliclibrary.org/files/original/e535c257693c2320e705b6a579479f76.pdf 9acf09f7c378a479364abfe340a665a1 Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. 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Title A name given to the resource Growing Up In Mobile: Depression & Wartime, 1929-1949 Subject The topic of the resource Mobile during the Depression and World War II Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Judy Walton, MPL Youth Services, Erin Kellen, MPL Youth Services, & George Schroeter, MPL Local History & Genealogy Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Mobile Public Library Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1983 Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource USA Photographic Archives, Spring Hill College, Mobile Historic Development Commission Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource pdf jpeg mp3 Language A language of the resource English Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource This file may be freely used for educational uses as long as it is not altered in any way. 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Title A name given to the resource Appendix VI - 1865 Stone Street - John Adams Project Subject The topic of the resource 1865 Stone Street Description An account of the resource Three photos of house located at 1711 Stone Street in 1942; 1865 Stone Street in 1983 Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource John Adams Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived John Adams Diary Project Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Mobile Public Library Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1983 Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource pdf Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context Growing-up-in-Mobile-1865 Stone Street-1983 Relation A related resource Stone Street Map - John Adams Project - 1983 Bill Bates & Bill Bates V Imaginary Diary Entries - John Adams Project John Adams Stone Street https://digital.mobilepubliclibrary.org/files/original/424e93e4586a87026a2efb2852837292.pdf a46c52baf34f6310a29c1864246a6c6e https://digital.mobilepubliclibrary.org/files/original/557909dc6c680b6b77d18a56d132cc31.pdf 309d0680fcc97b0e95a6eec7a020f871 Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. 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Title A name given to the resource Growing Up In Mobile: Depression & Wartime, 1929-1949 Subject The topic of the resource Mobile during the Depression and World War II Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Judy Walton, MPL Youth Services, Erin Kellen, MPL Youth Services, & George Schroeter, MPL Local History & Genealogy Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Mobile Public Library Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1983 Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource USA Photographic Archives, Spring Hill College, Mobile Historic Development Commission Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource pdf jpeg mp3 Language A language of the resource English Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource This file may be freely used for educational uses as long as it is not altered in any way. No commercial reproduction or distribution of this file is permitted without written permission from this institution. Text A resource consisting primarily of words for reading. Examples include books, letters, dissertations, poems, newspapers, articles, archives of mailing lists. Note that facsimiles or images of texts are still of the genre Text. Original Format The type of object, such as painting, sculpture, paper, photo, and additional data Paper Text Any textual data included in the document "Growing Up in Mobile, Depression and War Time" Architectural Study Project: Compare and contrast wealthy upper-class housing of the 1930s with wealthy upper-class housing at the turn of the century. The Vickers House: built 1935-36, located at 29 Hillwood Road in Spring Hill, west of I-65. A modest two-story house, side-hall plan. Small one-bay porch front entrance, with brick stoop and steps and brick walkway leading up to pebbled half-circle driveway. A closed, private-looking house, with its screened-in porch in the southwest corner, (bottom floor) and, originally, a covered back porch off the kitchen (now walled-in and the kitchen expanded). Set in the middle of a huge lot, with a pebbled driveway offering two entrances to the front of the house, which is on a corner lot surrounded on the two street-sides by a white picket fence. Trees hide the house almost entirely from view from the road. Children played in the yard, the ditch behind the lot, the neighbors' yards, or the woods (where houses now stand). This meant that the children stuck close to home, a safer environment than if they had lived downtown and played in the streets. Ten-inch cypress boards side the exterior, red brick makes up the front stoop and steps, walkway, and stairwell leading outside from the southwest screened-in porch. The materials for the house came mostly from other houses being torn down at this time (1935). These "second-hand" materials were less expensive, but of high quality. The simple, rectangular design of the house, its modest size (the Vickers originally planned to add a wing on the north side eventually, but built a house over the Bay instead), and the second-hand materials used in its construction indicate the limitations set by the Depression, during which the general attitude, even among the wealthy, was one of caution and concern over the financial risk involved in the construction of a private home, especially since few people in the 1930s could afford to build, much less live in, a new house. Hillwood was a new area of Spring Hill when the Vickers built their house in 1935 (theirs was the first home built in the area, not including the three "model homes" in Hillwood built in the 1920s before the Depression, which temporarily ended further development of homes in the area). Hillwood is and was an obviously wealthy suburban street, in the same neighborhood as the "restricted" Mobile County Club. White families, with black servants, have always been the rule in Hillwood. The houses on Hillwood are nearly all different, having been built at different times and through different architects in the years since 1935. The interior of the house has hardwood floors and paneling (probably oak); a blue marble fireplace in the living room downstairs; indoor plumbing (two-and-a-half baths, 1 1/2 downstairs, one upstairs); a small kitchen with all modern convenience in the back of the house; electricity and a ceiling fan in the southwest screened-in porch; and a cellar-utility area for clothes-washer, servants' room. The house was probably heated through a combination of gas, electricity, and the fireplaces up- and downstairs. Fans and open windows cooled the house. Everything mentioned above in this paragraph was original to the house at the time it was built. The roof of the house is a moderately steep gable-style, practical for Mobile's rainy climate. Window arrangements are not practical - the kitchen has the fewest (and the smallest) windows, yet it is the hottest room in the house. The Vickers made sure that the other rooms in the house had enough strategically-placed windows to insure a "nice view of the yard"; in other words, the practical purpose of windows, i.e. to provide light and air-circulation, were not considered as important by the Vickers as the "nice view" the windows could provide. Many trees shade the yard, but these are not very close to the house, which would be very uncomfortable without air conditioning. The Vickers house has few details which would "date" it to the 1930s. Part of the reason for this is that the house was "made to order", its design reflecting the personal preferences of the Vickers when they built the house in 1935. Another reason it is difficult to "date" the house is that it was constructed of second-hand materials, from houses built years before 1935. For instance, the ten-inch wide cypress siding on the houses's exterior was more common in the 19th century than in the early twentieth century, during which time exterior siding was much narrower and consisted of non-organic shingles, asbestos, stucco, etc. (becomes typical of homes built in the inter-war period). However, several details of the Vickers house indicate that it was built in the Depression year. These details include the fact that the house is much less" street-oriented" than houses built in earlier periods when people would sit on their front porches and visit with their neighbors while the children played in the street. The Vickers house, with its large back yard, its private, screened-in porch, and its location on the lot (set back from the street and hidden from view by trees, the lot surrounded by a white picket fence as a symbol of "private property") is an example of the growing trend in the inter-war years towards privacy, when people more or less cut themselves off from their neighbors by moving inside their houses and into their back yards. The small one-bay porch/ stoop front entrance of the Vickers house is not as open and welcoming as the large front porches of Victorian houses built at the turn of the century or bungalows built in the 1920s. The Depression evidently caused a change in the general attitude towards money - people who had wealth in the 1930s were careful not to "show off" their wealth. The Vickers could have afforded to be much more extravagant in designing their house, but they kept it simple. The Vickers' rectangular-shaped "town house" has little or no decoration other than: dark green "false" shutters on windows at the front of the house; a wrought-iron handrail on the stairwell leading outside from the southwest screened-in porch; a sunburst window above the front door sill; a gas light/lamp at the end of the front brick walkway; a white picket fence around the street sides of the lot; and several flower beds and many different types of trees in the yard. Even inside the house everything is kept simple: wood paneling instead of wall paper; hardwood floors, with rugs in only a few rooms. The blue marble fireplace in the living room is perhaps the most decorative detail of the house. The Tissington House - built 1901, located at 1216 Government Street at Georgia Avenue, west of Broad Street but east of Ann Street, so it is extremely close to downtown and lies on the north side of Mobile's "main street" (Government). A very large house with an open, roomy front porch and second story balcony wrapping around the west side of the house from the front. Two-and-a-half stories, the Tissington house has numerous windows, balconies, dormers, and a large tower (turret). It was built on a central-hall plan. The house takes up most of the corner lot on which it was built. The front yard is somewhat larger than the backyard, and concrete steps lead from the front door/ porch to a wide concrete walkway, which empties onto a sidewalk surrounding the lot on its street sides (this sidewalk extends around the block and is typical of downtown Mobile, which has sidewalks in every area, residential and business). These sidewalks were important especially for the children of the Tissington house, since they lived on one of Mobile's busiest streets. The children probably played on the large porch or inside the house in bad weather, in the street or on the sidewalks otherwise. The Tissington house is so large it certainly offered the children enough room to play inside or to be alone if they wished. The house has five- to seven-inch clapboard exterior siding and the roof is shingled, with decorated fascia boards. The jigsaw and the spindle were among the advancements in technology of the nineteenth century, and both were used to create this typical Victorian house, with its spindle-wood balustrade and jigsaw railing on the front porch and second-story balcony, and the Victorian-turned columns and wooden handcarved decorations on the tower, dormer, and front-porch roof. The house also features stained glass windows. The size and design of the house indicate a type of extravagance in which the wealthy homebuilder of the turn-of-the-century could indulge, whereas the wealthy homebuilder in the Depression era was more inhibited and careful with his money. The Tissington house is one of several Victorian homes in the area of Georgia Avenue and Government Street. The families living in these houses were of the upper-middle/ wealthy class, and their racial background was white, their servants were probably black. One street over, north of the Georgia-Government area, is Caroline Avenue, which is lined with tiny low-income Victorian "shotgun" houses, also built near the turn-of-the-century, like the Tissington house. The Tissington has three parlors downstairs; a kitchen in the back of the house (with a marble sink); indoor plumbing; electricity for fans; probably gas for heating as well as the fireplaces (the fire-place in one of the parlors is dark brown marble); hardwood floors covered with narrow-cut carpets; oak paneling and large-patterned wallpaper on the walls. A house this large certainly required several servants to help with its upkeep and the owner's image. The Tissington is a pure Victorian house, like any other Victorian house built in California, Kansas, or Maine. It adapts to Mobile climate through its open spaces, high ceilings, steep-pitched roofs, and especially through its large porch and balconies. It has many windows, mostly placed wherever they would look best, some of them of stained/ leaded glass. This house might have been more comfortable without air-conditioning than would the Vickers house, which is smaller and not as well ventilated. Many details "date" the Tissington house to the turn-of-the-century, including: stained/ leaded glass in windows; narrow-cut carpet on the floors; Victorian-turned columns on the porch; wooden handcarved designs on the tower (turret) and dormers; the decorated balustrade around the porch and balconies (jigsaw design on the railing, spindled balusters); detailed molding around the windows; many different sizes and shapes of windows. The tower itself, in addition to cupolas and turrets, were also common to the Victorian style of architecture represented in the Tissington house's design and construction. The houses of the 1930s were built in the Depression era, a time when people either did not have money or were very careful wit hit. Therefore, the houses built at the turn-of-the-century, a time when most people had fewer financial problems, would be fancier than houses built thirty years later. The people living in the Tissington house in the early 1900s could probably walk to shops and schools because they lived in town. But at the time the Vickers house was built (1935), Spring Hill was a suburb, "out in the country", and the children had to ride bikes to school and the Vickers had to drive into town to work or shop. The Mobile Public Library Study Grant: Growing Up in Mobile, Depression and Wartime Evaluation of Rebecca's architectural project Project: To compare and contrast the wealthy upper class housing of 1930 with the wealthy upper class housing of the turn of the century. The two houses selected by Rebecca were well chosen to illustrate the contrast in architectural development of the two periods. They also demonstrated the changes in the suburban growth of their respective years. The drawings added much to the project. Not only were they well done but they brought out essential differences in the architectural elements. The written descriptions were detailed enough to bring out the purpose of the project, that of the effect of housing on a child growing up in those surroundings. It would have been helpful if Rebecca could have interviewed Mrs. Tissington as she did Mrs. Vickers and it was unfortunate that she could not go through the interior of the Tissington house to get an accurate picture of the plan, not because she did not try. From the social standpoint the conclusions drawn were well stated. From the architectural standpoint it might have been interesting to have added a comment on the difference in craftsmanship evidenced in the details of the building since that is the point brought out by the drawings. Both Rebecca and her advisor, Jennifer, did a good job with the subject selected and carried out within the allotted time. They took many trips to the buildings, the photography was excellent and the drawings show much talent on the part of Rebecca. Elizabeth B. Gould, architectural historian Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. 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Title A name given to the resource Architectural Study - Rebecca Harrison Project, with Evaluation - 1983 Subject The topic of the resource Architecture Description An account of the resource A comparison of a wealthy upper-class house of 1930 with a wealthy upper-class house of the turn of the century Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Rebecca Harrison Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Rebecca Harrison Project Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Mobile Public Library Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1983 Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource Elizabeth Barrett Gould Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource pdf Language A language of the resource English Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context Growing-Up-in-Mobile-Harrison Architectural Study-1983 1901 1930 architecture Elizabeth Barrett Gould Great Depression Hillwood Mobile Rebecca Harrison Spring Hill Tissington House Vickers House https://digital.mobilepubliclibrary.org/files/original/ba5533dbe00bb23329e89364eb37a328.pdf eefff7fffb18fdb0aa22653a20c196f6 https://digital.mobilepubliclibrary.org/files/original/2962a87075e01f633ce7e0cff502bfb7.pdf cf6d688c00cb11ccdda81f7551bc03cf https://digital.mobilepubliclibrary.org/files/original/27dd7b851bd530e59e873ddcde11114c.pdf 263c1e9c9829f402706bc18ee3f2be80 Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. 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Title A name given to the resource Growing Up In Mobile: Depression & Wartime, 1929-1949 Subject The topic of the resource Mobile during the Depression and World War II Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Judy Walton, MPL Youth Services, Erin Kellen, MPL Youth Services, & George Schroeter, MPL Local History & Genealogy Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Mobile Public Library Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1983 Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource USA Photographic Archives, Spring Hill College, Mobile Historic Development Commission Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource pdf jpeg mp3 Language A language of the resource English Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource This file may be freely used for educational uses as long as it is not altered in any way. No commercial reproduction or distribution of this file is permitted without written permission from this institution. Text A resource consisting primarily of words for reading. Examples include books, letters, dissertations, poems, newspapers, articles, archives of mailing lists. Note that facsimiles or images of texts are still of the genre Text. Text Any textual data included in the document The following are excerpts from the diaries of some hypothetical persons who grew up in the Toulminville area during the 1830s and the 1930s and 1940s. The first two excerpts come from the diary of Bill Bates, a slave owned by the Bates family who lived in Toulminville between 1838 and 1839. The last four excerpts come from the diary of Bill Bates V, a descendant of the earlier Bill Bates. These four excerpts explore the life of a young black person during the 1930s and 1940s. Some of the situations and ideas in these excerpts may not be completely factual but they are based on factual information. The purpose of this is to give people an idea of what life was like during certain periods of time, particularly during the Depression and World War II. January 5, 1838 Today my family and I left Mobile with my master's family and came to our new home in the country . Our home is near a large creek (Three Mile Creek) and there is a lot of wide open space surrounding my master's house. The Bates home (1) is a large two story house with the first story made of brick and the second story made of wood with very high stairs leading to a porch hanging out from the second floor. The brick bottom story was built by my father and some other slave masons about a year ago. The ceiling of the bottom floor is very tall which makes the house seem even larger to me and there are two chimneys. One last thing about the house is the big open "galerie" across the back which allows the Bates family to come out and admire the beauty of their land. My house is in back of the master's house near the kitchen (2). It is nice but much smaller than the big house. As we came into this new community today I didn't see any schools but it wouldn't matter to me anyway since it's against the law for slaves to be educated. The only reason I can write is because the master's son, my white friend, taught me. My friend is taught by the mistress in the big house since there is no school. Although I didn't see any school, I did find out that there are other rich families in this area other than the Bates family (3). There are the Toulmin lands to the east, the Goldthwaite lands to the northwest and the Files family home on St. Stephens Road which runs north and west (Appendix II). I'd better go now because I have to collect wood for the master's fireplace and the kitchen stove. July 5, 1838 At this time of year the outside doors of the big house are left open so that any wind can flow into the hall of the house and the kitchen by way of the breeze-way which connects them. The rear "galerie" and second floor porch allow air to also cool the top floor. Each day I have to go to the creek and bring water back to the house for drinking, washing, and cooking. Later today I hope I will have time away from my work to take a swim in the creek. It's a lot of fun and it makes it easier to live in this heat. There is no church in this area (the first known church in Toulminville was built in 1846) (4) but that doesn't keep us from talking to God and tomorrow a group of us will get together to sing and pray. July 20, 1930 This morning my family moved into a small house in an area north of Mobile. My new address is 1760 Stone Street (Appendix III). From the outside the house looks long and narrow and has a small porch. It has four windows along each side of the house and there seems to be an extra room at the back of the house which has been added on since the house was built a few years ago. Although the house seems a little closed in because of its size, the porch with its beautiful column designs gives me a feeling of welcomeness (6). When I'm ar home I can play on the side of the house or in the backyard where there is a lot of room. This house we moves into today is smaller than the house we had been living in but we had to move into this house because my father lost his job and couldn't afford the other house. We do have electricity (7) in this house but we don't have running water because we couldn't afford it. Times are hard and it's too bad that many hard workers (laborers) like my father are the first to lose their jobs. December 3, 1936 This morning after waking up and getting dressed I walked to school with some friends. I had to walk down St. Stephens Road past Gorgas School (Appendix IV), a school for white children, past Finch Avenue all the way to Andrews Street where I go to class at Toulminville School (Appendix V), the school I've been going to since I came to Toulminville. Our church had a special gathering planned for today so after school I walked down St. Stephens Road pass Craft Highway to Greer Autry and Sons, a small grocery store, and then further down the street to Butler Sea Food Store where I picked up some things for the church picnic. About an hour after I got home my family was ready to go to the picnic. Before going to the church we drove to the Big S Station (2) on St. Stephens Road north of Craft Highway. There my father bought a couple of dollars worth of gas which had to last him for the whole week. Then we drove all the way back down the road until we for to St. Charles Avenue where we went to meet the other members of Ebenezer AME Church. Then the whole congregation drove down to St. Charles Avenue to Stone Street and then to Davis Avenue where we stopped for our picnic at Davis Avenue Playground. After the picnic my family and I went back to our house on Stone Street and brought an end to a very nice day. January 7, 1942 Today was the day that our family moved into our new house (Appendix VI). The new house is just across the street from our old house on Stone Street but it seems a little bigger than the old house and now we have more yard space. Our new address is 1711 Stone Street (7). We were able to move into the new house because now that my father has a job building ships to be used in the war, we can afford a nicer home. Also, as a result of the growing business and industry in the Mobile area many people have begun settling in Toulminville. Our new house seems bigger because the rooms are spread out more than those in the house we had before with one room right after another. Another nice thing is that now we have electricity as well as running water which we didn't have before (8). The house has a small porch, three windows, and a door in front. There are two windows on each side, and additional room in the back, and a chimney on one side. On the same lot there is another building which can be used for storing things or for extra rooms and between the two buildings is a lot of space to play. After we got most of our things moved in this morning it was time to do to church so the family piled into the car and we drove to Ebenezer AME Church on St. Charles Avenue (9). After church I decided to have a little fun by going to Davis Avenue Playground to play basketball. So I went home, changed, and walked all the way down Stone Street to Davis Avenue. There is another park that is easier to get to, but black people aren't allowed to go there. It's the Toulminville Recreation Center on St. Stephens Road and it's only a few blocks from my house. Anyway I had a good time at the park and now I think I'll call it a day. April 8, 1942 This morning I got up and walked down Stone Street to Davis Avenue where I go to Dunbar High School, a school only for blacks. After school was out for the day I walked up Stone Street, cut through St. Charles Avenue and went up St. Stephens Road until I reached Richardson's Grocery. This is where I work each day after school. Today I moved and unloaded boxes and packages and collection and scrap metal to be used for machinery in the war. After working late I went home and that about finishes up my day. Critique John Adams's Project Using an imaginary diary to give an account of growing up in Mobile between the two World Wars was an excellent idea. It would be appropriate to use the word "imaginary" in the introduction, or whatever other word John might like, in order to clarify in the reader's mind what is fact and what is used to portray the facts. The narrative is interesting, moves smoothly and is well written. There are some mechanical factors that need correction. Since John has presented his sources for the facts interwoven with the narrative, they should be footnoted, even though a real diary would not have done so. The footnotes at the end should be numbered and related to the same number within the body of the text. In that way there can be no doubt in the reader's mind of the authenticity of the material presented. John seems to have gone through his text and marked in red where he wanted the footnotes to go but they did not all relate to the proper references. There was also no distinction in the red corrections to indicate the difference between footnotes and the illustrations. I have tried to indicate in a green pen where these problems occur. Again John may feel that such details would not be included in a real diary, in which case he could give the information in the introduction, leaving the text of the diary without references. It would be a good idea to put a "c" before the dates of the 20th century houses since the precise dates were not established by chain of title of tax records. Thus c1936 indicates to the reader that the time of construction was about that date but might be off by a few years. I would not be surprised if the 1936 cottage were not earlier, based solely on the style. The word "galerie" is a French term used in architectural descriptions to mean a porch and is used in connection with styles that have evolved out of an earlier colonial tradition. It is thus distinguished from the gallery of a theater or art museum. It should be written in italics but if not then indicated by " ". If the map, indicated by the number VII, were intended to be a reference for the location of the Toulminville Recreational Center, mentioned on the next to last page of the Diary, it should have been marked on the map. There was a small 7 placed above this reference in the text but it was not differentiated as to whether it was a footnote or an illustration. These two reference sources should be indicated differently, the footnotes by a simply number above the reference and the illustrations by (ill.VII). In conclusion, the project was well developed. The research was ably explored for the time interval allowed. I hope that John will continue to study the area as no definitive information has ever been written about the neighborhood and it has a long and interesting history for which prime resources go back to the early 18th century French land grants. John Adams, a black male, aged fiftenn, chose to do an architectural study for his "Growing Up in Mobile - Depression & Wartime" project. He chose several houses in a Toulminville neighborhood in which he lives as the subject of his study. Until recent years, Toulminville has been a white neighborhood. John focused his report on black residents, nevertheless, which contributes somewhat to the interest of his report. Notes 1 Bates (Schusse) house description from Mobile Landmarks Inventory, Mobile City Planning Commission. 2 Description of kitchen with covered walkway to the Bates house and adjoining slave quarters from letter to Dot Webster, Webster Realty, to Nancy Holmes, Mobile Historic Development Commission. 3 Information concerning families or property near Bates home from letter from Mobile Historic Development Commission to Dot Webster, December 7, 1971; from Landmarks Survey, Mobile City Planning Commission, Chain of Title, November, 1974; and from "Toulminville One of Oldest Neighborhoods," News Herald, 21 September 1978, p.6. 4 First known church in Toulminville built 1848 . Ibid. 5 Address of house at 1760 Stone Street, Mobile City Directory, 1936. Description of house from photographs, appendix III. 6 Information concerning water service and electrical power from Alabama Power Company. 7 Locations of Gorgas School, Toulminville School, Autry Greer and Sons, Butler Seafoods, Big S Station, Ebenezer A.M.E. Church and Davis Avenue Playground from 1936 Mobile City Directory. 8 Address of house at 1711 Stone Street, Mobile City Directory, 1942. 9 Ibid., Alabama Power Company. 10 Locations of Ebenezer A.M.E. Church, Davis Avenue Playground, Toulminville Recreation Center, Dunbar High School and Richardson's Grocery from 1942 Mobile City Directory. Original Format The type of object, such as painting, sculpture, paper, photo, and additional data Paper Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Bill Bates & Bill Bates V Imaginary Diary Entries - John Adams Project, with Evaluation - 1983 Subject The topic of the resource Toulminville history Description An account of the resource Imaginary diary entries for hypothetical persons Bill Bates and his descendant, Bill Bates V, written by 15 year old John Adams as part of his Growing Up in Mobile: Depression & Wartime project, with critique by historian Elizabeth Barrett Gould Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource John Adams Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Growing Up in Mobile: Depression & Wartime, 1929 - 1949 Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Mobile Public Library Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1983 Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource Elizabeth Barrett Gould Relation A related resource Appendix I - "The Bates House" - John Adams Project Appendix II - Toulminville one of oldest neighborhoods - John Adams Project Appendix III - 1914 Stone Street - John Adams Project Appendices IV & V - St. Stephens Rd. & Andrews St. - John Adams Project Appendix VI - 1865 Stone Street - John Adams Project Stone Street Map - John Adams Project - 1983 Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource pdf Language A language of the resource English Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context Growing-Up-in-Mobile-John Adams Diary Project-1983 1838 Andrews Street Bates House Bill Bates Bill Bates V Davis Avenue diary Ebenezer AME Church Elizabeth Barrett Gould Great Depression John Adams Mobile slavery St. Stephens Road Stone Street Toulminville World War II https://digital.mobilepubliclibrary.org/files/original/9650596ce00b1d511587da8e1d402abf.pdf 0c9d4ad395c8c5455a14d4eac3bb188d Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. 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Original Format The type of object, such as painting, sculpture, paper, photo, and additional data Paper Text Any textual data included in the document Descriptions of Oral History Interview Tapes Dorothy Bivens -father's business - black - owned coal yard -children's games and pet pig Timmy, city ordinance forbidding in city livestock -her girlfriends -neighborhood and Mobile descriptions -overcrowding in Mobile - soldiers everywhere -deterioration of race relations as a result of war build-up -segregation George Taylow -childhood on the Eastern Shore-Montrose -first car family owned -lived in Mobile after marriage -in Merchant Marine before and during war, torpedo-ed 3 times -lived in New York, different perspective on Mobile for a black man at this time -black apprenticeship and place in shipping, going to sea as a very young boy, father was a sailor Mrs. LeFlore -living in a little, mostly white neighborhood on the (then) outskirts of town. Whites and blacks were friendly with one another -segregation -Civil Rights -Mardi Gras (Joe Cain) Col. Lockett -white middle-class neighborhood description -neighbors knew each other because people walked instead of driving -streetcars -talks extensively of his wartime and Army career, service in the Pacific during World War II -short interview - 30 minutes - one side only Frank Fields (no photo) -description of pre-World War I black neighborhoods -hard work for blacks, low pay -mail carrier, highest pay available to blacks -worked at Scottish Rite Temple -segregation - Civil Rights -member of the Knights of Pythias, a black fraternal organization -joined Army towards the end of World War I, does not see action -organized picnics in Africatown, every week, remembers seeing Cudjo Lewis GROWING UP IN MOBILE; DEPRESSION AND WARTIME. 1929-1939 Oral History Interviews Summer, 1983 Walter Lee Allen Date of birth: July 1, 1922 Date of Interview: June 22, 1983 Interviewer: Reve Carlson Assistants: Tom Oberding Frank McCloskey Joaquin M. Holloway, Sr. Date of Birth: January 27, 1908 Date of Interview: June 27, 1983 Interviewer: Lalie Felis Assistants: De Juan Kidd Patricia Harrison Dorothy Steele Bivens Date of Birth: November 23, 1925 Date of Interview: June 20, 1983 Interviewer: De Juan Kidd Assistant: Joey Brackner Robert Hunter Date of Birth: 1920 Date of Interview: June 25, 1983 Interviewer: Frank McCloskey Assistant: None (Two tapes) Elizabeth Vickers Courtney Date of Birth: February 2, 1930 Date of Interview: July 1, 1983 Interviewer: Lalie Felis Assistants: Sherrie Chavis Rebecca Harrison Archbishop Oscar Lipscomb Date of birth: Date of Interview: July 14, 1983 Interviewer: Frank McCloskey Assistant: None Susan Randolph Crichton Date of Birth: October 8, 1896 Date of Interview: June 23, 1983 Interviewer: Reve Carlson Assistant: Frank McCloskey Col. Herbert S. Lockett Date of Birth: Date of Interview: June 24, 1983 Interviewer: De Juan Kidd Assistant: Joey Brackner Frank Fields Date of Birth: August 26, 1900 Date of Interview: June 30, 1983 Interviewer: Joey Brackner Assistant: None (Two tapes) Edith Eliza Thompson McClain Date of Birth: January 6, 1904 Date of Interview: June 24, 1983 Interviewer: Frank McCloskey Assistant: None (Two tapes) Ann Battle Hawkins (Mrs. Donald A. Hawkins) Date of Birth: August 27, 1912 Date of Interview: June 21, 1983 Interviewer: Lalie Felis Assistant: Sherry Chavis (Two tapes) Elizabeth Barbour Pipes (Mrs. R. Ford Pipes) Date of Birth: January 30, 1918 Date of Interview: June 20, 1983 Interviewer: Lalie Felis Assistant: Sherry Chavis Mary Frances Young Plummer Date of Birth: October, 1913 Date of Interview: June 21, 1983 Interviewer: Reve Carlson Assistants: Tom Oberding Frank McCloskey Delores Jenkins Taylor (Mrs. George O. Taylor) Date of Birth: Date of Interview: June 22, 1983 Interviewer: Jeffrey Hunter Assistant: Sherry Chavis George O. Taylor Date of Birth: July 23, 1915 Date of Interview: June 22, 1983 Interviewer: De Juan Kidd Assistant: Joey Brackner Arch R. Winter Date of Birth: September 13, 1913 Date of Interview: June 23, 1983 Interviewer: Lalie Felis Assistant: Sherry Chavis Patricia G. Harrison Coordinator - Oral History Project Notes: The general theme of the oral history interviews was "Growing Up in Mobile: Depression and Wartime, 1929-1949." Many of the questions pertained to the Depression or to World War II. However, many of the persons interviewed were young adults during the Depression or World War II. Some of these interviews, therefore, are valuable in illustrating what it was like to grow up in Mobile during an earlier period. The young people prepared a standard interview. They adapted this interview to fit the individual. Two of the interviews - those of Elizabeth Vickers Courtney and Robert Hunter - pertain to growing up in Spring Hill . Robert Hunter also includes some information regarding Spring Hill College. He also discusses historic preservation in Mobile. The interview with Mrs. Edith McClain contains information relating to black Episcopalians in the South. She also discusses black leadership in Mobile. She was the first black librarian with a degree in Mobile. Mrs. Dorothy Bivens was interviewed in her office at Bishop State Junior College. A central air conditioner ran during the interview. The tape is audible. However, this tape is not as clear in portions as are most of the other tapes. Walter Allen did not grow up in Mobile., He states that he grew up "out in the country". He was drafted into the army in 1942. Tom Oberding, the assistant, began interviewing Mr. Allen when the interview was underway. The Young Interviewees were not always able to change their prepared interviews when the subject did not fit the pattern. This is apparent in parts of this interview. Most of the remaining interviews pertain to Mobile during the Depression or World War II. Many of the interviews are excellent and are historically valuable. Mrs. Teach Beck LeFlore (Mrs. John L. LeFlore, Sr.) was interviewed during this project. Unfortunately the recorder malfunctioned or some other problem prevented this tape from being audible. Joey Brackner who assisted with the interview has included some notes relating to this interview. The interviews were conducted during the summer of 1983. Project Coordinator: Patricia G. Harrison Research Assistants: Joey Brackner Sherry Chavis Frank McCloskey Young people working on oral history project: Reve Carlson, age 11, Leinkauf School Lalie Felis, age 14, Daphne Jr. High School Jeffrey Hunter, age 14, Palmer Pillans Middle School De Juan Kidd, age 12, St. Mary's Middle School Tommy Oberding, age 10, Aquinas Academy Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Descriptions of Oral History Interview Tapes Subject The topic of the resource Oral history interviews Description An account of the resource Summaries and notes for the oral history interviews Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Patricia G. 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Title A name given to the resource Growing Up In Mobile: Depression & Wartime, 1929-1949 Subject The topic of the resource Mobile during the Depression and World War II Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Judy Walton, MPL Youth Services, Erin Kellen, MPL Youth Services, & George Schroeter, MPL Local History & Genealogy Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Mobile Public Library Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1983 Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource USA Photographic Archives, Spring Hill College, Mobile Historic Development Commission Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource pdf jpeg mp3 Language A language of the resource English Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource This file may be freely used for educational uses as long as it is not altered in any way. No commercial reproduction or distribution of this file is permitted without written permission from this institution. Oral History A resource containing historical information obtained in interviews with persons having firsthand knowledge. Interviewee The person(s) being interviewed Elizabeth Vickers Courtney Original Format The type of object, such as painting, sculpture, paper, photo, and additional data Cassette tape Duration Length of time involved (seconds, minutes, hours, days, class periods, etc.) 27 min. 4 sec. Interviewer The person(s) performing the interview Lalie Felis Location The location of the interview 27 Hillwood Drive, Mobile AL Transcription Any written text transcribed from a sound Lalie: Today is July 1, 1983. This is Lalie Felis. I'm interviewing Ms. Courtney at her home at 27 Hillwood Drive. This interview is part of the Growing Up in Mobile Oral History Project. (?) is taping this interview today. We're going to be talking about Ms. Courtney's experiences growing up in Mobile during World War II. We'd like to thank you for talking to us about your experiences growing up in Mobile. To begin with, can you state for the record, your full name and when and where you were born? E.V.C.: Elizabeth Vickers Courtney. I was born in 1930. Do you want the date? February 2nd, 1930. I was born in Mobile. Lalie: Who were your parents and what did they do for a living? E.V.C.: My mother was Gene Inmas Vickers; my father was Marion Richard Vickers. My father was an attorney and my mother was a housewife. Lalie: Did you have any brothers and sisters? E.V.C.: Yes, I had one brother. His name was Marion Vickers, Jr. He is 5 years younger than me. Lalie: Where did you live in Mobile when you were growing up? E.V.C.: Well I was born, when I was born we lived on Houston Street, then we moved to Old Government Street, then we moved to Ashland Place, and then we moved out to Springhill and I lived in this house next door here, my mother's house, when she still lived, we were there since 1936, I was 6 years old when we moved here. Lalie: Where did you go to school? E.V.C.: I went to Visitation Academy through the 6th grade, and I went to Springhill School, which was a public school by Mary B. Austen, and then I went to Murphy, and then I went off to school after that. I went to Washington D.C. Lalie: What was your favorite subject? E.V.C.: I guess Math. Lalie: Who were some of your favorite teachers? E.V.C.: Well, Ms. Mary B. Austen was our teacher in the 7th grade. [...] She died in the middle of the year when we were in 7th grade. She was a great person, she was absolutely one of my favorites. And I had some good teachers at Murphy, Ms. Edith Murphy taught me math and she is also pretty famous in Mobile. She died about 3 or 4 years ago and she loaned me a couple of books and I guess it was her father that Murphy High School was named for, I'm not sure, or her husband, I forgot, anyway she's related to the man that Murphy was named for. Ms. Gay (?) was a Latin teacher at Murphy that I liked, and Ms. Bragg (?) was my Science teacher. I guess that's about, well let's see, that's about all I can think of. Lalie: What did you want to do when you grew up? E.V.C.: Um, I guess, I just wanted to get married and have children. We didn't think about having careers as much at that time, you know, girls just kind of [...] Lalie: What were some fun things that you did when you were growing up? E.V.C.: We used to climb trees, we used to build pine straw huts. Our favorite thing was to go to the pumping station and go swimming, where the reservoir is over there and they had these big swimming pools that came from a waterfall that came out of the reservoir and that was the big thing. Lalie: What were the things that your family, that you and your family did for recreation? E.V.C.: Well, let's see, we used to go over the Bay, sometimes, and...I can't really think of too much that we did as a family. We took a few trips, not too many. We used to go to Chattanooga, we went to Lookout Mountain a couple of times, my grandmother used to live out there. Lalie: Did you have any hobbies? E.V.C.: Um, I used to play alot of badminton, that was the big thing when I was a teenager. We had a court up there. And, um, I was one of the Girl Scouts, I did alot of work with them. Lalie: Who were some of your best friends? E.V.C.: Um, Sally Title(?) was a good friend of mine, she used to live about 3 or 4 houses up on Hillwood and she's still a good friend of mine. (?)Phillipson (?) in fact she's on the library board [...] and Nettle Grier (?) was a good friend, her name is Simpson(?) now. Nettle was a real good athlete, she still is, she used to have a horse, we used to have a real good time riding her horse, I wasn't that good at it but she was and we used to play alot of baseball and football, we played with the boys alot, there weren't too many girls at Springhill, everybody kind of just got together and we did whatever the boys wanted to do really and...what was your original question? Lalie: Who were some of your best friends? E.V.C.: Oh yeah, and Mary Cook was a good friend of mine, she moved out here I think when we in the 7th grade and she was also really good friend of mine, she works for the CIA...and that's about it I guess. Lalie: Did young people at this time gather in any certain places? E.V.C.: Um, no, not at Springhill, we just played in the woods or at somebody's house, some people had little, what they called playhouses, they were kind of like doll houses, you know, they were just a little room that was built separate from the house, alot of people had those, and we would do that but most of the time we really played outside. Lalie: What were some of your favorite places in Mobile? E.V.C.: Well, we used to go to the Country Club, and swim and hang around up there alot and uh, I thought I had written some other place down here, of we used to go to Weinacker's and get milkshakes and sodas and things like that. Do y'all know where Weinacker's was, it's not called Weinacker's anymore, but it's on the corner of Government and Catherine Street, I think it's a Delchamps now, it was a drugstore and that was kind of a favorite hang out. And also Van Antwerp drugstore downtown, was a big hang out, they used to have a lunch counter, we used to go down there and that's where we would eat. Lalie: What was your favorite music when you were growing up? E.V.C.: Well, of course the Jitterbug was popular at that time and the big band [...] big band music, and later we got into show tunes. Lalie: Who was your favorite sports figure? E.V.C.: Good question, well, I remember Joe DiMaggio, baseball, Babe Ruth, and Joe Lewis, I remember him real well in boxing, heavyweight champion, um, Bobby Jones I guess, in golf, that's all I can think of off hand. Lalie: What styles of clothing were popular? E.V.C.: Well, when you're saying the 30's and 40's, you know, you're taking a large period of time into consideration, so, if you start back in the 30's, uh, you were just coming out of the roaring 20's and just coming out of the Charleston era. In the 30's the skirts went down, you know, and then the new look came along in the 40's, and we wore these full skirts and everybody wore half the petticoats under the full skirts, I mean just daytime clothes, you know, like a wool skirt, real full, with a plaid petticoat, you always had to have a plaid petticoat, something that showed, you know. And the new look was a little short jacket and a scarf and that was not exactly when the new look came out but I think it was like in the middle 40's. The 30's were kind of a dull period, the dresses were very drab, after the 20's you know when they were real short, and then flash to the 30's it was kind of dull. Lalie: What was your favorite food? E.V.C.: Spaghetti and meatballs, I guess. We didn't have pizza in those days, I think it was unheard of, I think the first I ever had any was when I went to Europe in 1954, I had some then. Lalie: Did you have a favorite rest or eating place in Mobile? E.V.C.: Um, the Dew Drop, it's been good all these years, y'all know about the Dew Drop? And, uh let me think, Constantine's was downtown at that time and it was good. We didn't have very many restaurants in those days. Lalie: What was downtown Mobile like when you were growing up? E.V.C.: Well, it was just like a small town, you know, that you would go through, I guess. Dauphin Street was the big, the prime property, you know like Fountain Square, and we had 3 or 4 good stores down there, and Constantine's was a good restaurant and Van's was a (?). The Square was alot prettier then than it is now, not so many bums hanging around, it was a nice place to go. It was kind of like any small town. Lalie: Where did people shop? E.V.C.: Well downtown we had Gayfer's and Hammel's and Goldstein's, that's a jewelry store, and (?), that was a shoe store, and Cress's (?) was a 5 & 10 cent store, they were all in the same area right on the Square. Madison's (?) was there, it was a men's store. We had, I guess a line of them. Lalie: Where was the edge of town? E.V.C.: The edge of town was really I guess you'd say where the Loop is and, uh, I guess maybe Florida Street before you really got into Crichton, Crichton was kind of a separate area. Lalie: What kind of transportation did you have besides cars? E.V.C.: When I first moved to Springhill there was a trolley, it came out and tracks ended up there near where Mary B. Austen's School is and it came at kind of an angle from Springhill Avenue, it didn't come by the same route that the roads are on, it just came kind of through the woods. But it wasn't, that didn't operate too long, I can't remember when it stopped but probably in the late 30's and then they put in a bus there. We used to ride the bus to Murphy and back, well we rode it home, my father used to take us to school. We always rode it home, buses were alot safer then than they are now, although they were still crowded, of course there were certain [...]. Most families you know had the one car, I mean it was kind of, I can't remember when we got our second car, it was I guess, I think it was in the 40's when we got our second car, most families just had one. Lalie: What are some of your memories of World War II? E.V.C.: Well I can remember the rationing. Sugar was rationed, shoes were rationed, we got 2 pair a year, which wasn't too bad for the grown people but if you had growing feet, you know, it got bad. And whiskey was rationed, and oh gas, I guess that was the big thing, you know, it didn't bother me too much, because I wasn't driving. It was really though, if you wanted to go somewhere and you had to save up your gas tickets or borrow some from somebody else or get em someway or another. It was hard to have enough to get where you're going. Lalie: Do you remember any changes in Mobile during this time? E.V.C.: Brookley Field, you know, was built in Mobile at that time and that was a big thing , you know, because of the big installation it was, they hired alot of people, and they had alot of military personnel. Lalie: Did more people move to Mobile during this time? E.V.C.: Oh yeah, alot of people. When the shipbuilding industry built up and like I said Brookley hired alot of civilian help, besides the military personnel. We had a big [...] Lalie: Did you know any of these newcomers? E.V.C.: Yeah, we knew the General at Brookley, General Molass(?) and his daughter was in my class at school. I guess my parents knew some others, I can't think of any offhand. Lalie: Were there any newcomers moving into your neighborhood? E.V.C.: Yes,uh, this is during the War that we're talking about? Housing was kind of hard to get during the war, you know [...] One of our good friends, Carter Smith, I think she's the one that told y'all to contact my mother and probably me too, she has alot to do with the Historical Society and historical thing in Mobile, but they had been living in St. Lewis and they moved back to Mobile at that time and they weren't able to find a house, you know, that they wanted, on this street or anywhere near, they finally bought one over in Springhill, not Springhill Manor but Country Club Village. Springhill Manor and Country Club Village were two of the housing projects that were built during the war and they were supposed to be temporary housing but they're still standing. People have remodeled and added on to them. So they moved in there, I remember that. Oh, we really didn't have too many newcomers on this street, because everybody that lived here had, you know, lived here for a long time, there were not too many people moving and like I said not many houses were available during that time. Lalie: How did people feel towards these newcomers? E.V.C.: Um, I don't remember any ill feelings towards the newcomers. Maybe some in the older generation might have had some but me, I've always been glad to meet new people, it was fine with me, I liked it. Lalie: Did you have alot of new students enrolling in your school? E.V.C.: I guess we did. I don't remember any crowded situation in the school. I'm sure we had more because there were more people moving in but I don't remember any great crowding. Lalie: Were the mother and fathers of any of your friends in the military or working out in Brookley Field? E.V.C.: I would say no. We had met, like I said, the Molasses(?) but they weren't really close to us. Lalie: Do you recall seeing alot of servicemen or military personnel? E.V.C.: Some, not much. Lalie: Do you remember people in Mobile volunteering for war work? E.V.C.: Oh yeah, I remember we knitted sweaters for the Red Cross at the Mary B. Austen School. We knitted little bitty sweaters, size 4, and size 2 I can remember doing a couple of those, and they were sent to, you know, people overseas that needed supplies. And we knit squares, we knit afghans I think, to send to people in the cold who needed some cover, we knit squares and sweaters. Alot of people did volunteer for the Red Cross and all kinds of things like that. Lalie: What about women employment? Did they work anywhere? E.V.C.: Well I'm sure they did, you know, hearing about Rosie the Riveter and everything, but I was too young to really pay that much attention to it and of course my mother didn't work and you know the people that I knew very well did, but you know I'm sure there was alot of that. Lalie: Do you remember any of the ways in which the war affected everyday life in Mobile? E.V.C.: Well, of course the rationing, you know, was a big thing and of course I remember each day being so interesting in the news. Well, alot of our friends had sons that were killed, things like that, and of course you were always on edge wondering who was going to be next. My family didn't have anybody that was really in the service directly connected with them so we didn't, we don't have anybody that close to us but we had alot of friends who had loss. Lalie: Do you remember the blackouts and the air raid drills? E.V.C.: Yeah, I remember those vaguely. I don't remember how many we had but I do remember them. Lalie: What were some changes in the appearance of Mobile? E.V.C.: Well, I can remember, Springhill was just really in the sticks and when we moved here, this street wasn't paved out here and my mother had you know landscaped her property over here and livestock kept coming in the yard and tearing up and stepping in this new [...] and tore it up so she built a cattle gap, built this fence out here. Y'all know what a cattle gap is? It's iron bars, like see where the driveway is up there, where the opening is in the fence, you put these iron bars and you cement them into the ground and they're about this far and they're about this wide, and the cattle can't go across em because if they step, you know, they would go down in it, and so that was to keep the livestock out. In fact there's a cattle gap right here, between [...] that's what that was too, although that's a draining system now but originally I think it was, we've always called it a cattle gap. So it was quite different out here than it is now. This really went way out in the woods. Lalie: Did Mobile look different or seem different after the war? E.V.C.: Well of course it built up, so I'd say we were in the sticks before the war and then, I can remember when Airport Boulevard was called Grant Street and it was just a two way street. There was hardly anything on it between the Loop and out here. At that time, when I first started driving, which was probably about 1946, I guess, my mother always said, "Don't go to Grant Street, it's too lonely." Can you imagine Airport Boulevard being lonely? But it was, there was nothing on there. So we'd always come Old Shell Road, and of course Dauphin Street wasn't there. Old Shell Road was more populated so we felt safer driving out on town, can you believe that? Lalie: What things seemed to stay the same? E.V.C.: Oh dear. Some of the buildings downtown, you know, like the Merchant's Bank, that's been there forever. Well you know, the whole plan of the city stayed the same, just built up, some of the old homes, Government Street, in a way, it's the same, in a way, it isn't, it's been so commercialized but still alot of the old homes are still there and the beautiful old trees. Everything else pretty much stayed the same except for the shopping centers and traffic is so much worse and of course South Alabama being built out here, you know, changed it a whole lot. That's all I can think of on that. Lalie: Did Mobile remain dry after prohibition? E.V.C.: Um...hmmm, do you mean during prohibition or after it was repealed? Lalie: During prohibition. E.V.C.: During prohibition. Well, everybody was kind of, getting it from somewhere. I don't want to incriminate everybody but there was plenty of it around, of course I was too young. I can't remember when prohibition was repealed, but I think it was, I can remember my daddy having kegs in the attic, and that was after we moved down here and that was 1936. I don't remember exactly when it was repealed but it was going around. Lalie: What were the differences between Mardi Gras now and then? E.V.C.: Well, of course, they used to have the coronation on the wall on the waterfront, I never did see that, that was before my time, my mother talked to me about that all the time. So that was quite different. And it was just on a much smaller scale than it is now. Basically, you know, everything was still, we'd still have the same coronation. Lalie: What did you do for Mardi Gras? E.V.C.: What did I do for Mardi Gras when I was young? Well, we used to go downtown and I remember one of the best times I had was when I went down with just 2 or 3 friends and I had just [...] and my momma let me go by myself. We didn't do a thing, we'd just walk around town and have lunch at Morrison's and you know it was just so much fun being on my own. Lalie: Did you and your friends ever discuss the war? E.V.C.: Well, I guess we did, you know, I just don't remember that too well, and like I say, I'm sure we, most every family had somebody that was in the service that was connected [...] get by without being affected by it. I don't remember. I remember when, the day that Roosevelt died and that made a big impression. I remember coming home on the bus that day and finding out. I can't remember exactly which year he died but I was at Murphy then so I guess it was probably early 40's, 43 or 44. Lalie: How was your family affected by the war? E.V.C.: Well, not a whole lot, as I said, because we didn't have anybody in the service, but of course we were affected by the rationing and things like that but, you know, it didn't affect my father's business, you know, he was a lawyer. It affected us in some ways because of the transportation, because of the gas rationing, because we did live out here in the sticks and we weren't able to just drive into Mobile anytime we wanted to like y'all can do now, like we all do. Lalie: Are there any other things from the war you might want to add? E.V.C.: I can't think of anything. Lalie: You've been very kind to let us interview you today. We'd like to thank you. E.V.C.: Well, thank you, I've enjoyed it. Lalie: This interview will add to our record of this time. Thank you very much. E.V.C.: Okay. Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. 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Title A name given to the resource Growing Up In Mobile: Depression & Wartime, 1929-1949 Subject The topic of the resource Mobile during the Depression and World War II Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Judy Walton, MPL Youth Services, Erin Kellen, MPL Youth Services, & George Schroeter, MPL Local History & Genealogy Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Mobile Public Library Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1983 Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource USA Photographic Archives, Spring Hill College, Mobile Historic Development Commission Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource pdf jpeg mp3 Language A language of the resource English Rights Information about rights held in and over the resource This file may be freely used for educational uses as long as it is not altered in any way. No commercial reproduction or distribution of this file is permitted without written permission from this institution. Oral History A resource containing historical information obtained in interviews with persons having firsthand knowledge. Interviewer The person(s) performing the interview Lalie Felis Interviewee The person(s) being interviewed Joaquin M. Holloway, Sr. Location The location of the interview Mobile Public Library, downtown Mobile Original Format The type of object, such as painting, sculpture, paper, photo, and additional data Cassette tape Duration Length of time involved (seconds, minutes, hours, days, class periods, etc.) 56 min. 15 sec. Transcription Any written text transcribed from a sound Lalie: Today is June 27, 1983. This is Lalie Felis. I'm interviewing Mr. Holloway at the library in downtown Mobile. This interview is part of the Growing Up in Mobile Oral History Project. DeJuan Kidd is assisting with the interview today. We are going to be talking about Mr. Holloway's experiences growing up in Mobile during the Depression. We'd like to thank you for talking to us today about your experiences during the time you were growing up in Mobile. To begin, would you state for the records your full name and when and where you were born. Holloway: My full name Joaquin Miller Holloway. I was born in Mobile, do you want to know location? To be exact I was born on Fisher's Alley, I don't remember the house number. I lived there only about year so there are very few things I remember about that residence. Shortly thereafter I moved to Carlton, Alabama, where my mother was born. I have a very vivid recollection of that house. It was a log cabin, one large room, and next to that an adjoining room which was used for the kitchen, a front porch, the windows were made of boards, which swung open and shut, had a big fire place, cook stove. Lalie: Who were your parents? What did they do for a living? Holloway: My father's name was Harrison Holloway. He came from Demopolis, Alabama. To my best knowledge, he was a house painter. I have very few recollections of my father because at a very early age my mother and father separated for reason I don't know. My mother was a domestic servant. She came from a very large family in Carlton. But she came to Mobile at a very early age to go to school. From what I hear, she learned to, she took jobs learned to cook keep house. I remember hearing her say once that she never worried about a job because she knew Miss Ann wouldn't going to work. But my mother had various jobs and I can remember times when her salary was $2 a week, can you imagine times like that. But people learned to manage and like most ladies, she was a master at that. Lalie: Did you have any brothers and sisters? Holloway: I did have, no sisters really, I had brothers. One brother older than I named, we called him OT, his name was Orlando(?) Thomas. I had two younger brother the one next to me was names Charles and he lived to get almost a year old about big enough to crawl around but he died in infancy and my older brother who's name was Julius, names after my grandfather, died a couple of weeks or more, very very early. Lalie: Where did you attend school? Holloway: I attended school first up in Carlton. My first teacher's name was Miss Dollie Drew (?). She was a very outstanding individual she had one of those voices that one could recognize anywhere in the dark, you just didn't hear voices like that often. So I went to school in the country about four years and at the age of ten I moved back to Mobile and went to school at what later became Caldwell (?) School, at that time it was called Bochley (?) School and Mr. Caldwell was the principal at that time. My teacher's name was Miss Essie Sheperd. I went there one year and the next year I went to boarding school up in Wilcox County. The name of the school was Art and Literary and Industrial Institute (?), was there one year and came back to Mobile the next year and went to school at Emerson Institute in the 5th grade. My teacher at that time was Miss Wilber Weaks Burrow, her name was Wilber Weaks at that time but she lived at Mr. Burrow's. They named a school that still in honor of her come years ago. Lalie: What was your favorite subject? Holloway: Mathematics. Lalie: Who were some of your favorite teachers? Holloway: Favorite teachers? I already mentioned Miss Dollie Drew (?). I must mentioned Mr. Joe (?) Allen graduated from Knoxville College. He was tops, he was thoroughly familiar with his subject. He taught me mostly Latin and mathematics, algebra and was a dedicated teacher. In Mobile, I shall always remember Miss Rosalee Isinger (?) who was a graduate of Tallagium (?) College and she was really an inspiration to students. I remember so well some of the things we did under her suggestion. In my junior year in high school, she got a class to open [...?] People's Bank which later collapsed and we lost that little money we had but that wasn't much but we did begin our practice of putting money into banks at that time and we had a club called [...?] Social Club. The duties of [...] were to read books and at meetings each member would tell what he did what he did learn from that book he read and just a review to the rest of the members and that way we did get acquainted with alot of the works of various authors. Lalie: What did you want to be when you grew up? Holloway: I had no fix idea at the time when I was growing up. When I entered college, however, I had an urge to become a medical doctor and consequently I majored in chemistry and I was one of the top students in chemistry when I was in college. As a matter of fact, when it came time to name to scholar for the year, I was in my senior year, the choice was narrowed down to two people that were Eleanor Thompson from New Orleans and myself. Eleanor Thompson won the award. But I remember so vividly one day she and I were in the classroom together and she said I wish I knew as much chemistry as you do. Lalie: When you came home after school did you have any after school chores to do? Holloway: Oh yea. I delivered the Mobile Press in the afternoon and in the morning I got up before school and delivered the Mobile Register. Aside from that there were very little things on school days. Lalie: What are some of the things you did for fun when you were growing up? Holloway: Fun. We had several games we used to play. Shooting marbles and we had another game we entertained ourselves with marbles, we would put little holes in the ground shaped like a baseball diamond, little holes for home plate, first, second, third, and you would start off with a line behind home plate and shoot the marbles and the object was to get into the holes and back here as soon as possible and then we would shoot regular marbles we would draw a circle put a line down the center and put marbles in there and get back from that circle about four or five feet and each contestant would put one or two marbles in that circle all the marbles he would knock out belonged to him. And we had alot of fun like that but some of the boys got cagey and I don't know if any of you know but at one time glass whiskey flask had a glass stopper with a round head and a flat head and a tip that goes down through a cork some of the boys would break that tip off so they would have a flat disc and they would shoot that disc and they had much better control over that disc than they had over a marble, and if they weren't careful they would break it. Lalie: What were some things that your family did for recreation? Holloway: Let's say a few more things if you don't mind, I mentioned only marbles we had a game Running Over and that game consists of a group of boys and one boy would get on a line and kneel over and clasp his hands around his ankles and the boys would run and leap over him. Then after all of them had their try this boy would move up a little further and he would get up so far that the leaper [...?] would have to fall out and the ones that cleared the greatest distance was declared the winner. And we rode bicycles, skated and I must say that skating in my day was much more fun than it is now in the street or the sidewalk I should say because the sidewalks today are so dirty so much sand and gravel and stuff like that that it isn't any fun skating. Of course you have skating rinks now and you probably have more fun that we did on the streets. Lalie: What were some things that your family did for recreation and relaxation? Holloway: That I don't know other than going to church, my mother was very good about going to church now I remember the year I spent in Demarcus I was about five years old but my grandmother on my father's side and father. My father took me to the circus and the circus was pitched just oh about 200 yards from where we were living at my grandmother, my mother, and father's house and at night we could hear the lions roar and it was fierce sound I could easily see why just a roar of a lion would cause another animal to cower and take flight but my father took me to the circus one day and we sat down and watched all the acts and the men riding those tall unicycles and the clowns coming out and the equestrians riding the horses but when they announced the lion act my daddy said to me come on boy lets go I didn't bring my 44. We left. Lalie: Did you belong to any clubs? Holloway: You mean when I was youth, nah I can't think of any clubs I belonged to. Lalied: Who were some of your best friends? Holloway: First of all I think one Ripley Simmons. He was the nephew of this Miss Rosie Isinger of whom I spoke of a few moments ago. One of the finest persons I knew and I had other good friends Eugene Patterson and oh there when I was in college I think of alot of classmates I had there who were much more recent acquaintances T.R. Miller, (?), Dan Kennan (?), Bernie Young, James Tony, Waylon G. McCoo who is now Dr. McCoo and lives in Los Angeles. My roommate James Tony became a physician officer, but he died at an early age. I could go on, on with friends now. Lalie: Did young people at this time gather in any certain places? Holloway: We went to the theater and that was alot of fun. I used to go to the Pike (?) theater regularly that was my hangout I almost got into trouble going because one year when I was living with my uncle Alex my mother was away in Chicago at that time and my uncle had forbade me to go to the movies on Sunday but I had little jobs before I make money [...?]. My first job was at a barber shop down on Dauphin Street between Stoton Bottle (?) and Steve's Barber Shop. I made my money shining shows and cleaning [...?] so I had my money and I could go to the show and I would go to the show because Eleanor Lincoln was an outstanding character at the time and that was a serial and they would show you just enough of the movie that day to make you want to come back. [...] was always in danger when the film terminated for that say so we were eager to get back to see how it came out. But I used to go to the Pike and when the show was over I would run all the way home from Pike Theater to (?) Avenue. Fortunately I don't think I ever got a whipping for going to the theater because they didn't know I was there and I said we use to ride bicycles but now I never went to a dance until my junior year in high school, the junior prom but we use to go and look through the crack at ball games out at Dixie Park. Dixie Park was situated at that time just north of Davis Avenue and this side of Three Mile Creek. That was a big area there but it was a fun center for most of the grown-ups and children at that time. And in later years they built another ball park called Brookley (?) ballpark that was just south of where Central High School is located right down between Vasal (?) and Conde street in that area. It lasted for quite a while. Lalie: What was downtown Mobile like when you were growing up? Holloway: Downtown Mobile was small but it was a very interesting place. We had several theaters then: Crown Theater, Empire Theater, Lyric Theater, Saenger Theater was the newest of the lot but they were all located within three blocks of each other and when one got coming Dauphin Street which was considered the heart the center of town, it still is used as a point of reference for north and south now but Royal and Dauphin were considered the heart of town at that time. As I was saying when we got down to about Jackson street you got into a neighborhood where the stores were and at that time there were hardly any empty spaces there all those blocks were full of shops and stores and downtown really looked nice at that time. Lalie: Did you have a favorite eating place in downtown Mobile? Holloway: No, I didn't eat out I can think of very few instances where I've bought say a hotdog on the street in the past. I go back to my mother and some of the things she taught us and one of her favorite sayings was Don't want for anything that you know that you can't afford, and to this day my son remembers her because he had the feelings he could always get some money from grandmother when he knew he couldn't get it from any other source. I have a cousin Marshall Nettles with whom she took up a great deal of time when he was a child. She had the feelings that Marshall was kinda outcast from the rest of the family meaning of course that more attention was given to the other children there were two other children older than Marshall and of course some of them were younger than he but my mother gave alot of attention to him. And to this day theu always think of her very very dearly. It was she who use to go and come and when we were living in the country my mother was living in Mobile most of the time she would come up there and Carlton was about 12 or 16 miles from Jackson which was the nearest depot and when anyone left Carlton to go to Mobile or any other place where they had to catch a train they would ride up to Jackson usually in a wagon or buggy and sometimes we would get a ride with the mail rider as you would call the rural rider had a horse and buggy and you would go from Carlton to Jackson and sometimes people would ride up there with him but when word got out that [...] that's what they called my mother her name is in that book. When word got out that she was coming and someone would go out and meet her. In the afternoon by the time that the children thought she returning all eyes were looking up the road and when they saw that vehicle approaching the children would go and meet her and she always bring some little gift for each one and that's saying alot because we were a large family. And she had this knack of remembering birthdates and she knew the names and birthdates of all the children. I was telling someone just a few days ago when I was down here to the museum when we saw the names of riverboats: John Quill, the Gattenburg and I use to ride the John Quill from Mobile to Carlton or the (?) Bluff which was the name of the boatlanding we use to get on [...] in the afternoon and eat supper and then go to bed, sleep, and wake up in the morning and have breakfast on the steamboat. And before we got up there and the same things would happen on the way from home up to Mobile. W use to get on there, eat supper, go to bed, and wake up early in the morning to have breakfast and get up to Mobile. As a child one of the enjoyable sights for a little boy and I imagine for a girl too, looking at the river coming up over that big paddle wheel to see the white water and then fall into the [,,,] for yards behind the boat…. I remember when the boat stopped at _______ to take on some cattle. Those boats used to bring cotton, hardwood, hogs, and livestock from those country places in Mobile. That long plank they put from bank to the boat called a ___________. I saw one man trying to get a cow on to the boat and, the boat, the man, and the cow fell off that plank into the water. Luckily, they were not ________. It was a lot of fun to watch, I guess. Lalie: What are some of your memories of the depression? Holloway: During the depression, things were hard to come by. I don’t recall any suffering during the depression. I really think that people had to be careful and make use of what they could get a hold of. I really don’t know of anyone suffering. I’m not saying that they didn’t but, I do remember bread lines and things like that. I was working up in ____________ for about six weeks that’s in Monroe, County. I do remember bread lines up there. Those people that live on farms and farmers, usually keep enough food on the table. They don’t starve. They don’t have a lot of clothes to wear and things like that but, they do have food to eat and enough clothes. So, I don’t have any real bad memories about the depression. I can remember some of the paychecks. For example, my first year working up in _____________, which was my mother’s home. I had an uncle that lived there at the time and he had a family of four boys and two girls. We had finished school. The contract I signed that year with the county. I was supposed to get twenty dollars a month from the county and twenty dollars from the people in the community through goods or cash. I’m quite sure I didn’t get all five of those twenty dollars from the county either. I don’t know what I got from the county. As I said, I was living with my uncle and he was a very injustice man. He had plenty of food and a large farm. As a matter of fact, he accumulated a tremendous amount of land just by hard work and _________. I think at the time of his death he had ownership of something like three or four thousand acres of land that was divided among his children. One of his sons, who was in school at the time I was teaching up there, is now a member of the factory of Tuskegee Institute. He is in the Agricultural Department. He’s been there for years and he really loves his work. We jokingly ask him at times why he didn’t get his Phd degree and he says the people that have a Phd here come to me for advice. I can understand that because he grew up on a farm and really knows what it’s all about. I should say that nearly all of us _______ with whom I lived with that year. Going to school and they got their degree. It was only one of them out of two. One of the sons lives here now. He, like his daddy, did not like school but he was very smart. He worked for many years at Alabama Power Company and accumulated a lot of property here in Mobile. The baby boy in the family was very smart. He spent time in the military service and I understand that he is an excellent mechanic. He just didn’t make the best use of his talent. The baby girl got her masters’ degree and lived in ______, Michigan and she has a daughter who has her masters’ degree. The oldest boy in the family got his degree in college and taught at Florida Central in Daytona Beach. He still lives in Daytona Beach now. (Ask me another one. I think I have said all that I wanted to say on that one. ) Lalie: Do you remember people coming around asking for food? Holloway: Asking for food? I don’t remember that. _____________. I really don’t remember instances like that. Lalie: What was Mardi Gras like? Holloway: Mardi Gras is the same that it is today except that the carriages was drove by a mule. Very few was drove by a jeep. They became mortilized in the recent year. I can remember this _________ in the Mardi Gras. Even when I was a boy I can remember that ghost and skeletons chasing at the man around that little pile with some balloons or something like that. 28:30 Lalie: What were some changes in the appearance of Mobile? Holloway: Changes in the appearance? One of the most striking changes that I think of is the number of automobiles. I can remember at my church, Lily Baptist, at one time usually, if you were lucky, you could count five automobiles. I can remember a time where there were fewer than five automobiles at the church. Now, we have a large parking lot. As a matter of fact, we have three areas. One across from the west side of Kennedy St. and there is a huge lot adjacent to the church between Kennedy and _________. Then there is a small lot across from it. Very recently, I think the church spent something like _________ adding this big lot. So, there are a lot of automobiles. I noticed over the years how the churches have put extra burdens on the members asking for a lot of __________. I can remember when our church was heated by a big _____ stove and the ventilation was just raising the window. Now we have an air condition, central heat, and amplification of sound. That’s something that spoiled a lot of people. I was telling someone yesterday, when I was down at Texas St, ________..... and the speaker could not make ________and I told someone sitting next to me in my day Dr. _______ could be heard all over this room without any trouble often. I said I can even make myself _______without a microphone and that is true. There are many people who do not ______.... and that I think is one of the causes of the PA system people rely so much on that. A lot of people don’t even know how to use it after they get it: they keep their mouths too close to the speaker and sometimes you can hear their lips part when they talk. Some of them shout in it which is unnecessary. If u get the proper application, you can almost whisper and you heard it. So those are some of the things I remember about that. Now there were no skyscrapers here. I can remember when the ____ was building the Dauphin ___, the tallest building in Mobile. I remember when the Merchant National bank was built. It was, at that time, the tallest thing. Shortly thereafter, the ____________ was built right across the street. I don’t know if it exceeded the Merchant; maybe so, just a few feet, but they were both tall. Of course, you probably remember when the first National bank was built. It is perhaps the tallest thing Riverview Plaza. I got to check up on the number of feet that the Riverview Plaza is. Downtown, at that time, was an attractive place. I think it was kept clean. I can remember so well, at night they had men with [...] Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Joaquin M. Holloway, Sr. Interview - 27 June 1983 Subject The topic of the resource Oral history interviews Description An account of the resource Oral history interview of Joaquin M. Holloway, Sr. at Mobile Public Library Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Mobile Public Library Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Growing Up in Mobile : Depression & Wartime, 1929-1949, Interviews Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Mobile Public Library Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1983 Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource DeJuan Kidd Relation A related resource Descriptions of Oral History Interview Tapes Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource mp3 pdf jpeg Language A language of the resource English Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context Growing-Up-in-Mobile-Joaquin M. Holloway, Sr. Interview-1983 De Juan Kidd Emerson High School Emily Nichols Fisher's Alley Great Depression Harrison Holloway Juaquin N. Holloway Sr. Lalie Felis Mobile